Be or not to be WML? - Coding-Talk

pmbguy replied

25.11.10, 02:35
ok, well, about the wml option being any different...

from my experience, the biggest difference in the speed a site loads is the images...
ie: if you have a 100KB+ animated logo, xhtml, or wml gonna crawl like hell cause it's got to load the logo before the rest of the page
(praise opera for sorting this out!!!)

and in my case connection speed.
(i've had wml pages time out too!)

Like sure there's a small filesize difference in code etc, but nothing major enough to jump for joy over...
then next, you get certain features that you just can't do with wml, like javascript n css, etc...
like i've been asked to port my site to wml... i'm like wtf? i coded it in xhtml cause as wml...

(no uploader, no javascript stuff, etc...) ie: most stuff i coded is rendered useless...

my solution: OPERA MINI!!! Works with xhtml n strips size down!!!
ie: wml pages in phone browser work out bigger than xhtml pages in opera normally cause of images...
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Mars replied

24.11.10, 12:56
Originally posted by drahmad View Post

i think its already dead, who use it still?

and my phone does not support wml
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drahmad replied

08.06.10, 06:18
Its dead

Originally posted by Mars View Post

What do you think how long WML will live?

i think its already dead, who use it still?

Last edited by GumSlone; 08.06.10, 11:26. Reason: removed link from post, next time youll get a ban
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GumSlone replied

07.06.10, 13:09

Originally posted by shad0w View Post

WML will live at least 5 more years..
WML pages are loading faster on mobile phones than html/xhtml...

why do you think so?
if you use simpe tags without styles etc the html/xhtml page will be smaller or of the same size like wml page.
so it doesnt make any sense to use wml.
take a look,
wml:

HTML Code:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE wml PUBLIC "-//WAPFORUM//DTD WML 1.1//EN" "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/wml_1.1.xml">
<wml>
<card id="main" title="Title">
<p>
<img src="images/logo.gif" alt=""/>
<br/>
Your text here
</p>
</card>
</wml>

xhtml:

HTML Code:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//WAPFORUM//DTD XHTML Mobile 1.0//EN" "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<title>Title</title>
</head>
<body>
<p>
<img src="images/logo.gif" alt=""/>
<br/>
Your text here
</p>
</body>
</html>

wml: 234 bytes
html: 302 bytes only because of a bit larger header

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metulj replied

07.06.10, 12:29
Originally posted by shad0w View Post

...WML pages are loading faster on mobile phones than html/xhtml...

are you sure?
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shad0w replied

07.06.10, 10:33
WML will live at least 5 more years..
WML pages are loading faster on mobile phones than html/xhtml...
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wapmetal replied

07.06.10, 04:19
wml is good because when you surf wml pages no hussle specially wht phones lol i love wml cuz pages makes fast..
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Shifty replied

06.06.10, 19:36
ooooohh. this subj as old as my grandma...
certainly, wml will die.
but when - nobody knows
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something else replied

18.05.10, 18:22
Originally posted by ksg91 View Post

it isnt a programming language but mark up language..

Originally posted by something else View Post

however wml is regarded closer to a true programming language than html

As said above
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metulj replied

18.05.10, 18:08
Originally posted by something else View Post

Thats 1 thing your always hot on metulj .... Validating your sites

well... validating site is very important...
imagine... w3c is WEB(and WAP) standard...
and while manufacturer make their phones...
they follow those standards when programming browsers for phones...

now... site which doesnt pass validation...
it may show errors in phone browser(or it may cos problems to load, which is basicly the same)

it will increase trafic for users

it may load server a lot more than actually needed

in worst case scenario, it wont be even displayed on some phones

now you tell me...
is it better to spend some time on validation
or is better any of above
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ksg91 replied

18.05.10, 18:01
Originally posted by something else View Post

Wml is only about 1 percent of all pages on the net ..... however wml is regarded closer to a true programming language than html, As wml can support variables such as setvar
and even support events such as timer Which Is heavily used on a lot of sites to make older phones (that only supported 10 cached pages) Stay On your Site By Forwarding The Phones Browser 10 Times To Different pages on your site. Making It impossible for people to leave your site by pushing there back button.

So Is wml as bad as everyone makes out?

it isnt a programming language but mark up language..

Originally posted by GumSlone View Post

for me wml is dead,

gum, i was going to say exactly same sentance lol...

well, i never learnt wml and never gonna..
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something else replied

18.05.10, 17:07
Thats 1 thing your always hot on metulj .... Validating your sites
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metulj replied

18.05.10, 16:30
Originally posted by khan89 View Post

older phones not yet support xhtml.and wml is like that star in the sky that comes like rocket..will left like electric train.LOLZ..
And the countries still under developing,third worlds country like srilanka, Bangladesh, India bla bla bla... net cost is high.thats why wml is still alive.

keepin WML alive just due to high net connection cost
is the biggest nonsense really...
properly(and yes... VALID !) coded site with XHTML
wont cause much bigger trafic than same code in WML...

the difference in trafic is so low it's not even worth to mention it really...
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khan replied

18.05.10, 15:44
older phones not yet support xhtml.and wml is like that star in the sky that comes like rocket..will left like electric train.LOLZ..
And the countries still under developing,third worlds country like srilanka, Bangladesh, India bla bla bla... net cost is high.thats why wml is still alive.
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honkytonkman replied

18.05.10, 12:19
Originally posted by GumSlone View Post

for me wml is dead,
but i liked it more than xhtml/html,
probably because that was the first "programming" language which i've learned.

yeah..i also have the same feeling..
but xhtml is more easy to do
and by now is supported by all phones
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